tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post4164934377664918210..comments2024-03-27T19:07:19.133-04:00Comments on The Silver Key: Tor.com releases poll results for best SFF novels of the decadeBrian Murphyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05563309422791320114noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-73931823284391908902011-03-09T09:37:59.359-05:002011-03-09T09:37:59.359-05:00I don't care if Gaiman got a bunch of fusty ol...I don't care if Gaiman got a bunch of fusty old superstitions right or wrong, but I thought he really failed to live up to his previous standards of imagination, writing style or description (set in books like <i>Neverwhere</i> and <i>Stardust</i> - I haven't read Sandman). I thought the idea was great but he shouldn't have done it. Maybe if it were handed over to Jim Butcher it would work. The sequel was even worse, really pedestrian writing by someone who can do much better. <br /><br />I think a lot of authors have a use by date, and I think Gaiman is approaching his, which is sad. I wonder if Mieville and Banks are too. That's a shame, because Mieville was brilliant at his peak, and Banks was ground-breaking. <br /><br />I tried reading <i>Anathem</i> and couldn't get very far at all. Stephenson is a nerd's nerd, that's for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-68887969841406031982011-03-09T01:42:44.890-05:002011-03-09T01:42:44.890-05:00well, I started "Name of the Wind" and O...well, I started "Name of the Wind" and Oh my.. I read through it in 2 days.. <br /><br />It is fully deserving, in my opinion, of being on this list.Lagomorph Rexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06385231158384929598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-7038765392850745112011-03-07T16:50:52.694-05:002011-03-07T16:50:52.694-05:00Joss Whedon is one of the most overrated and borin...Joss Whedon is one of the most overrated and boring screenwriters I have known<br />maybe Dollhouse, mostly for the gorgeous Eliza Dushku is the only interesting thing he have donefranciscohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141925304481130360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-74264045467648532202011-03-05T14:25:48.930-05:002011-03-05T14:25:48.930-05:00Oh, your absolutely right. I just feel that withou...Oh, your absolutely right. I just feel that without the decided intimidation factor.. or later on the Bribe factor.. it wouldn't have happened quite as it did. <br /><br />I've always been one of those people who will take one groups side over another and run with it... Objectivity is not one of my specialties..Lagomorph Rexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06385231158384929598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-80773172345291260842011-03-05T09:05:15.545-05:002011-03-05T09:05:15.545-05:00Lagomorph: A fair enough criticism. However, as I ...Lagomorph: A fair enough criticism. However, as I understand the changing over of Pagan beliefs to Christianity, it was equal parts forced, Christianized Northern kings voluntarily spreading the new faith, and a natural evolution of a culture that was settling down, and finding their old values of self-reliance and indomitable will to be incompatible with the mixing of other cultures.Brian Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05563309422791320114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-35222532060733418082011-03-04T11:47:41.791-05:002011-03-04T11:47:41.791-05:00your the first person who's ever said that abo...your the first person who's ever said that about Joss Whedon.... and that does make me fear for my sanity..Lagomorph Rexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06385231158384929598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-46341506017314436642011-03-04T10:42:06.378-05:002011-03-04T10:42:06.378-05:00I read Sandman when it originally came out. At fir...I read Sandman when it originally came out. At first it was kind of interesting, then I belatedly realized that it was really dull and I was only reading out of some sense of duty (this was back when I was younger and dumber and didn't know to just quit something I didn't like). All things considered, I don't think much of Gaiman's work.<br /><br />A lot of folks have tried to recommend Rothfuss's work to me by declaring that he's the Joss Whedon of fantasy novels. That just makes me want to stay away even more.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14624614486574035692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-85177590632544484722011-03-03T22:45:25.675-05:002011-03-03T22:45:25.675-05:00I found the bit about sacrifice and belief disinge...I found the bit about sacrifice and belief disingenuous and side stepping the true issue Brian. After all, the bulk of the people in Scandinavia didn't choose to stop stop worshiping their gods. The choice was made for them in the form of several rather malicious personalities ranging from the 800's with Charlemagne converting the Saxons with sword and hot iron to Olaf Trygvasson doing the same thing.<br /><br />Gaimen left that suspiciously absent from his book, and as a result it rather felt like people just stopped believing in them rather than having them taken away from them. To me it makes a difference.. and if the whole point of your book is to basically heap up layers of new and old gods.. then you could at least address the actual reasons why people quit following them.<br /><br /><br />I also found Gaimen's Odin rather out of character as well.. There isn't really enough mythology left surrounding Balder.. who could have even been a very late addition or been tooled up into his station as a "Norse Christ" by any number of authors.. so I can't really find much fault with Gaiman's version of him. But it's very clear to me that Gaiman has some very specific ideas when it comes to Norse Mythology which are very clearly his own and not backed up by any scholarship relating to the mythology..<br /><br />He's written 3 projects specifcally dealing with it, American Gods, Beowulf and Odd and the frost Giants. Odd and the Frost Giants is the closest he comes to getting it right.. but Theres no real evidence to link Freya to any sort of Healing cult as she is presented in that work.. if anything that would most likely have been Iddunna...<br /><br />I'll be totally honest though, I've never really thought Gaiman was all that great. I've never understood what all the deal was with Sandman (which I couldn't stand) And really didn't get much out of Good Omens.. I'd rather just read a discworld novel..Lagomorph Rexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06385231158384929598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-20338129525240465362011-03-03T22:44:32.030-05:002011-03-03T22:44:32.030-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00811418102763353838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-52498349168294222142011-03-03T21:56:51.619-05:002011-03-03T21:56:51.619-05:00I perhaps disliked it because of Gaiman's deci...<i>I perhaps disliked it because of Gaiman's decided misunderstanding of Norse Mythology or pre-christian nordic attitudes as presented in Sagas and Legends.. This is something he showed again in his ham handed Beowulf screenplay.</i><br /><br />I'm not a fan of <i>Beowulf</i> (the film) either, but I liked how Gaiman handled the gods here ... I don't recall so much on an individual level, I just liked the concept of gods requiring sacrifice and belief to stay vital.<br /><br /><i>If you enjoy a story that plays with cultures and comparative religion, you'll probably like KD.</i><br /><br />Sounds interesting, thanks.<br /><br /><i>I'd recommend the audio book edition of American Gods to anyone on the fence about giving it a try. The narrator (George Guidall) is simply fantastic.</i><br /><br />Guidall could read a phone book and I'd listen; the guy rocks.<br /><br /><i>I have to personally push that "Last Argument of Kings" by Joe Abercrombie should have been on this list.</i><br /><br />I've got Abercrombie on my "to be read list," thanks David.<br /><br /><i>Like how everyone has A Brief History Of Time and raves over it, but almost no one has actually read it.<br /><br />If you were wondering...no, I didn't like her book.</i><br /><br />I'll freely admit I have never read <i>A Brief History of Time</i> (not enough swordplay and derring-do for my tastes, thanks), and that review of <i>Strange and Norrell</i> gives me pause.Brian Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05563309422791320114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-16979595743377675762011-03-03T20:02:40.561-05:002011-03-03T20:02:40.561-05:00Patrick Rothfuss' Name of the Wind is definite...Patrick Rothfuss' <i>Name of the Wind</i> is definitely a very good read, and a very different one from <i>A Storm of Swords</i>, but still deserving its place. Heavy on characterization and focusing on a single character as opposed to the epic sweep of most others, one's only grouse is that it is a tad rambling, and takes a while for things to kickstart after the first interlude.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02545575337933937262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-60520819129424782002011-03-03T13:25:56.442-05:002011-03-03T13:25:56.442-05:00I've read two. American Gods is in the list o...I've read two. <i>American Gods</i> is in the list of Gaiman's I don't like. <i>Strange and Norrell</i> I did like, though I warn aspiring readers that it takes two hundred pages to really start the plot; I loved all the lavish world-building on the way there, but others might not.<br /><br />Some of them I tasted but could not get through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-84678943585959857102011-03-03T11:47:27.681-05:002011-03-03T11:47:27.681-05:00Afraid I've only read Clarke's paperweight...Afraid I've only read Clarke's paperweight, <i>Strange and Norrell</i>. My advice to everyone else saying they've got it and/or mean to get around to it, 'don't bother'. It sort of starts out interesting and some of the ideas aren't terrible so you think it's going to be pretty good, but her writing is absolutely agonizing. It was a book that, when I was done, I was mad at myself for having read the whole thing. Think, instead of color by numbers, writing by numbers, where she probably read every 'how to write' book ever written and then tried to incorporate every idea into this bloated tome.<br /><br />If you're a fan of 'form over function' then by all means, eat her up. You've got your seemingly endless stream of footnotes referring to imaginary sources (in many cases you'll kick yourself for even looking at them, they're that unrelated to the story and unnecessary, sometimes even just meaningless), pseudo-realistic historical context (I guess the best way to put it would be to think 'steampunk' with magic instead of science), descriptions that seem to go on as long as speeches by Ayn Rand's main characters, useless and trivial side stories, often ridiculous behavior by characters, and a predictable ending. Other than that it's a fine piece of work.<br /><br />My mother in law started it before me, but then gave up while I was in the middle of it, I told her she wasn't missing anything by not trying to finish it. I bet a lot of people that say they liked it read a bit of the beginning that was sort of OK and then got bored and put it down, but said it was good. Like how everyone has <i>A Brief History Of Time</i> and raves over it, but almost no one has actually read it.<br /><br />If you were wondering...no, I didn't like her book.Falzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481333222029372752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-44577672002368022412011-03-03T08:21:24.251-05:002011-03-03T08:21:24.251-05:00Dear Mr. Murphy,
Really liked "Old Man's...Dear Mr. Murphy,<br /><br />Really liked "Old Man's War" and its sequels. Had the Rothfuss book recommended to me by someone whose views in these matters I trust. Agree with you on nearly anything by Mr. Mieville.<br /><br />shalom,<br /><br />StevenStevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15520240994034904255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-82481417948279101402011-03-03T02:33:45.418-05:002011-03-03T02:33:45.418-05:00I love "A Storm of Swords" I have a copy...I love "A Storm of Swords" I have a copy and plan on reading "The Name of the Wind" soon, as well as "Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell" but some of these others-meh.<br /><br />I haven't been all that impressed with Gaiman in general and have felt severely underwhelmed by Sanderson too, I haven't even finished the Mistborn trilogy and have little motivation to do so.<br /><br />I have to personally push that "Last Argument of Kings" by Joe Abercrombie should have been on this list.nephite blood spartan hearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17092519999184585295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-56012817565712144702011-03-03T01:34:01.859-05:002011-03-03T01:34:01.859-05:00I have not read any of those books.I have not read any of those books.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-33500696424316705512011-03-03T00:53:58.610-05:002011-03-03T00:53:58.610-05:00I'd recommend the audio book edition of Americ...I'd recommend the audio book edition of American Gods to anyone on the fence about giving it a try. The narrator (George Guidall) is simply fantastic.brandykrusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00188759625786631969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-89444637593027777452011-03-03T00:26:16.590-05:002011-03-03T00:26:16.590-05:00I liked Mistborn and The Name of the Wind very muc...I liked Mistborn and The Name of the Wind very much; I thought American gods was OK.Will Duquettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842496412575851453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-73222545710205117832011-03-02T23:38:34.621-05:002011-03-02T23:38:34.621-05:00I'm not sure Scalzi's OMW deserves the top...I'm not sure Scalzi's OMW deserves the top spot, but it's a good book that turns into a great book in the last 20 pages. If you liked Heinlein's <i>Starship Troopers</i> but wished it had been a bit more about people and a bit less about institutions (or if you enjoyed Haldeman's <i>Forever War</i> but wished it hadn't just sorta petered out into bizarreness at the end) then you'll probably like <i>Old Man's War</i>.<br /><br />I have a very fond place in my heart for <i>Kushiel's Dart</i>. It's an odd little fantasy novel with a pinch of romance tropes. It's a cloak-and-dagger meets high-fantasy thing in a world that's like ours but jarringly different. If you enjoy a story that plays with cultures and comparative religion, you'll probably like KD. It does have more than a pinch of BDSM in it, but that doesn't dominate the novel; you can skim those parts if they bother you and just enjoy the who-dunnit and politics and derring-do if you prefer.trollsmythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01895349218958093151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-72347001064259802372011-03-02T22:36:57.144-05:002011-03-02T22:36:57.144-05:00Your absolutely right, it is easier to dismiss a w...Your absolutely right, it is easier to dismiss a work based on items unconnected to the work.. however my opinion of Meivelle is so low.. that I don't want to give him any of my money.. and so I can't actually buy his book and read it without steeling it.. <br /><br />none of my libraries stock new books, unless the authors happen to have the last names of "Beck", "Gingrich", "Savage" and "Coultier"..Lagomorph Rexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06385231158384929598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-9092112512421304382011-03-02T22:11:16.160-05:002011-03-02T22:11:16.160-05:00Always easier to decide you dislike something when...Always easier to decide you dislike something when you're deciding on factors external to the work itself, I guess.<br /><br />Anyway, I've read the Gaiman, Martin, and Mieville, all of which I'd like--though, Brian, I think your criticism of <i>Perdido Street Station</i> is fair and it isn't his best work. <i>The Scar</i> and <i>The City and the City</i> are superior, I think.<br /><br /><i>Blindsight</i> I have read good things about, but have never got around to reading it. Same with <i>Mistborn</i> and <i>Jonathan Strange</i>Treyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04647628467658839351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5723077228948447528.post-11502448361422329032011-03-02T21:48:53.328-05:002011-03-02T21:48:53.328-05:00The only one on that list that I've read is Am...The only one on that list that I've read is American Gods.. and I must confess to being one of those people who just "Dosen't get it".. I don't get why the book is so popular or why people think its so great.. <br /><br />I perhaps disliked it because of Gaiman's decided misunderstanding of Norse Mythology or pre-christian nordic attitudes as presented in Sagas and Legends.. This is something he showed again in his ham handed Beowulf screenplay. <br /><br />But it wasn't a bad book.. like say Naked Empire.. was a bad book.. <br /><br />I own Norrell and Mistborn.. and am planning on giving them a read at some point.. have some what given up on GRRM and likely won't be picking up any more of his books until he's finished the series.. Pat Rothfuss is on a list of 'Potential' reads.. but seeing as I've been so bummed out on so many new authors.. I just don't know. <br /><br />Mieville will not pass my doors however.. I have a decided opinion against his works.Lagomorph Rexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06385231158384929598noreply@blogger.com